CMcG: Hey I would like to know all the words in the inderdaad language? Is there a web site or is the word inderdaad the only word in it?
Sander de Jong: What do you mean?
Tim: Inderdaad is Dutch. Get an English-Dutch dictionary if you want to know more Dutch words
-a link to a sound file with a voice speaking "inderdaad" is posted by tim-
Tim: It's from a tape. It's the narrator of a story about Lucky Luke.
Abyssal Squid: Who's Lucky Luke?
Tim: Lucky Luke is a comic book character. He's a poor lonesome cowboy that shoots faster than his shadow. The comic books were/are translated in many languages. Also there are computer games and cartoons (and tapes) of Lucky Luke.
There aren't many sites about him on the net, but I did find one with pictures here: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/5270/lucky-luke.htm
Sander: You don't know Lucky Luke? The famous cowboy that shoots faster than it's shadow (which is impossible, but whatever)
Erik L: But technically, you are always shooting faster than your shadow. About 6.6 nanoseconds faster if you stand two meters from a wall.
UltimateLad: Yeah... But to kill your shadow would be kind of harder or if you're in bad luck he might kill you
Immune: Yeah... But to kill your shadow would be kind of harder or if you're in bad luck he might kill you
Erik L: ((D/1000)/C)*109 = 6.6...
Where C is the speed of light in vacuum and D the distance to the target in meters (converted to kilometers in the formula). Of course you wouldn't be able to see that the shadow has shot until the light goes back again.
Zouden: Lets see... a nano second is 1E-9 and light moves at 3E8 m/s.
S=vt where s is displacement...
S=1E-9 * 3E8
=0.3 metres
so in 1 nanosecond light travels 30 cm. So thats 6.6 nanoseconds for 2 metres. But to you it would appear that your shadow is shooting 13 nanoseconds behind you as it has to bounce back for you to notice it.
Erik L: Quite cool we did almost the same reply. Usually, I don't care about formulas like 'vt' and stuff because you can always figure out how it should be. I'm still searching for the one-and-only formula which explain everything (besides E=MC2).
Tim: Well I'll have to say that logically your shadow doesn't shoot at all, so you always shoot faster than any shadow including your own.
Erik L: But it looks like your shadow is shooting. Even a bullet fires away from him!
Ulv: no wait... the shadow doesnt do ANYTHING!!!
The shadow is just an area that lacks light...
Tim: And this is why everyone can shoot faster then any shadow, provided they have something they can shoot with
Sander: No! The shadow moves with the speed of light. Acording to Einstein, nothing can move faster than the speed of light, so you CAN'T shoot faster than your shadow!
Tim: Ok the actual shooting (or shooting appearance) movement shit whatever of the shadow will be exactly as fast as the real movement. Thats the only thing you're saying here Sander. But..... still the shadow starts shooting just some time after marksman started shooting.
So this shooting person may not shoot faster than his shadow, he may very well shoot before his shadow does.
This theory only holds under the proposition that both the real person and his shadow shoot. I'm still not convinced of the latter.
Tim quotes -> on 10/23/01 at 11:31:03, Ulvhockey wrote:no wait... the shadow doesnt do ANYTHING!!!
And do comic book characters really have a shadow? :P
Ulv: Yes, comic book characters have shadows if the author can be bothered to draw them. Oftenly they simply enhance the charcters... character... Like a loon scary shadow behind spiderman can make him look creepyer when he is out spidering bandits...
And once again, comic book characters have shadows since they are not transparent. Everything not transparent that is hit by light creates a shadow.
Tim: Isn't Lucky Luke just a fictive person? Imaginary things don't have a shadow. (The thing on paper is just a comic-book representation of the poor lonesome cowboy)
Imaginary things could have an imaginary shadow
Ulv: but imaginations are thoughts.. in your head... so are thoughts transparent? Isnt thoughts energy? Like light... so then the thoughts really generate shadows... they dont have them... they generate them!!!
On the other hand, all the thoughts are in the brain, and the brain is in the head, and with that hair of yours Tim, im sure your mind is shadowed, and thus also the imaginary Lucky Luke and his shadow.
Tim: Now I must embrace my dark side and set loose those black thoughts. Only then will I discover the truth about Lucky Luke
Ulv: Lol, I think we solved the mystery about Lukes shadow...
Durbik: Lucky Luke isn't real???????????????????? That's smashing news for me..... and that means Daltons aren't real too...
My world is changing from now on...
Ulv: Daltons... hmmm, they are as one unit.... but they have 3 shadows.... or are the shadows one, and the daltons, 3... or maybere there are 4 daltons.... hmmm, long time since I was a little kid...
Tim: 4 daltons. Joe, Jack, William and Averall (If I'm not mistaken).
Ulv: Oh my god! I think you are right!
I dont recall the name Jack, but the others.. yeah... Joe is evil and Averall is st00pid. But hey, at least they are not n00bs.
Then nothing happened for a while... there was some talk about INDERDAAD... but then suddenly!
Æ is ae... ok?!
Ø is oe... ok?! norwegian stuffostuff....
So.... inderdæd
Ænderdøød
------ this is no fun ----- I wanna talk about Lucky Luke again!
Durbik: Did somebody mention Lucky Luke's horse earlier? .. No. So: HE was a true wise guy.
Ulv: INDERDAAD!!!
Whats he called in Poland... lets see, I cant even remember wot hes called in sweden...
give me some hints and Ill figure it out.... I think its some english name.
Tim: Jolly Jumper is his English name. His name is the same in the Dutch comic books.
Durbik: My Lucky Luke comics are dog food now, why was I so stupid to throw them out
But I think it wasn't translated in Poland.
Ulv: yeh, jolly jumper, thats it! He so to speak "roxxors"!!!
But how do you feel about this dutch Lucky Luke album title: Phil IJzerdraad (Phil Iron-wire)
http://lcg-www.uia.ac.be/~erikt/comics/luke.html#albums
Maybe its belgian .be
Durbik: And there's always that dog remaining. The one with a big black nose.
As lazy as myself. Heck, even more.
I don't remember his name too. Help please.
Tim: Rataplan in Dutch, Rin Tin Can in English.
Ah why don't I paste the entire table I found:
French: Lucky Luke Rantanplan Les Dalton
Argentinian: Lucky Luke Rataplán Los Dalton
Catalan: Lucky Luke Ran-tan-plan Els Dalton
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Croatian: Lucky Luke Braca Daltona
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Czech: Stastný Luk
Danish: Lucky Luke Ratata Dalton-brødrene
Dutch: Lucky Luke Rataplan De gebroeders Dalton
English: Lucky Luke Rin Tin Can The Dalton Brothers
Finnish: Lucky Luke Rantanplan Daltonin veljekset
German: Lucky Luke Rantanplan Die Daltons
Greek: Luki Luk Rantanplan I Daltons
Hungarian: Villam Vili
Icelandic: Lukku Láki Rattati Dalton bræður
Italian: Lucky Luke Rataplan I Fratelli Dalton
Norwegian: Lucky Luke Rattata Brødrene Dalton
Portuguese: Lucky Luke Ran-tan-plan Os Daltons
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Serbocroatian: Talicni Tom
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Spanish: Lucky Luke Ran-Tan-Plan Los Dalton
Slovenian: Srecni Luka
Swedish: Lucky Luke Ratata Bröderna Dalton
Turkish: Red Kit Rin Tin Tin Dalton Kardesler
Durbik: Ok I can understand Luka Luk or sth, but RED KIT!??
Yeah, Rin Tin Can. I remember now. In Poland it was a single word, I think
BJ: Yeah, how could you forget about the horse! He always saved Lucky Luke's butt and he was wise.
And this dog was extremally stupid, and walked in a really weird way...
And about Luke: he always had sth in his mouth, kind of a little stick or so.
Ulv: a straw I think... sometime he smoked a cigarrett? or am I wrong?
I think the horsie had a straw in his mouth too... its been so long since I read this comic...
I remember there was lots of poker playing...
Durbik: Yeah, and lots of Saloons with lots of chicks tryin' to seduce LL. But he was tough.
He was a lonesome cowboy after all.
BJ: BJ Quotes ->sometime he smoked a cigarrett? or am I wrong?
YOUR VERY WRONG!!! Lucky Luke was a very positive hero, and VPH don't smoke.
Tim: No, you're wrong BJ. Lucky Luke did smoke, but in later albums he quit. See:
--- tim shows images of Luke with a straw in mouth, and rolling a cigarette.---
Ulv: I was right again ... *smug*
BJ: Wait wait wait... what kind of proof is this? Luke never smoked a cigarette,
he only was 'assembling' it. Gimme the picture with Luke smoking, and I shall belive you.
DeeJAy: I've read a few of the lucky luke comics before. They are quite good
Durbik: Maybe he was sellin Mary Jane to kids? Maybe it was his true job? And a good dealer never tries his own stuff
-- Tim shows images of Luke with cigarrettes---
one of them is: http://www.bdcool.com/genres/luke2.jpg
Ulv: I have hear smokers have less problems staying slim, but this is extreme!
The horse is slimmed down too... second hand smoker...
BJ: Nooooooooooo! Lucky Luke smokes! My ideal hero died today You bastards! You broke my idol!
He shouldn't smoke, it's a cartoon and has a bad influence on kids
Ulv: actually, Lucky Luke is very immoral. He plays hasard games like poker all the time. He prolly drinks a lot
since he always go to the saloon as soon as he finds a town. He always gets in trouble, since hes such a
troublemaker and he really does fight with skill. This tells us he is experienced and has been in lots of fights.
In the storys about Luke as kid he always plays with slingshots shooting bad guys in the eye. In his age in that,
he would most likely not know that the bad guys are bad, and therefore his shooting rocks on them is unjustyfied.
Its no more than a kid harrassing adults.
Luke also fails to live at one place, which shows his social abilities weaknesses... He hangs out with a horse and a dog only.
He keeps harrassing the four screwup boys Dalton, who obviously dont need jail, they need counceling in how to function as normal individuals in society.
Luke often makes the so called bad guys into public ridicules which would most likely decrease the "bad guys"
already weak inner pride and selfesteem. This would lead to the guy beeing more wounerable to the impulses of committing crimes.
Sometimes Luke help semiretarted and abmormally large criminals back to societey where they are left to carry around big things with a smile on their faces.
I suggest that all Lucky Luke comics are recalled by the publisher because of Lukes unjust and immoral living.
BJ: Shut up Ulv! I don't wanna listen anymore!
I was unaware of the true Lucky Luke's face for years... and now he appeared to be such a demoralised bastard.
Well, I prefer Thorgal then, he's my hero now.
Anyone heared about Thorgal?
Tim: Yes. I know Thorgal. Thorgal Aegirsson doesn't smoke.
---after this, the Lucky Luke fever fades out...---
Stray post though:
Immune: Hey, I was flicking through an old issue of PSM (PlayStation Magazine) and found a review for a Lucky Luke game! It scored 6 out of 10.
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